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Jim McGregor	Posted - 2006.06.23 11:09:00 - [1] Edited by: Jim McGregor on 23/06/2006 11:10:51 Originally by: Rockbox Nubbie pirates ftl really... sorry russ had it been us who you had the pleasure of bumping into you would have gone unharmed I even remember the time npc's destroyed a ship who I ransomed and I reinbursied him :D I do that too... I pay the guy if I accidently blow up his ship or allows any npc to kill it after i take it into structure. Alot of the pirates do ransom, but there are always some kids that thinks its fun to cause grief. Veritas, you should be ashamed. --- The Eve Wiki Community Portal \| Eve Tribune
Jim McGregor	Posted - 2006.06.23 11:32:00 - [2] I wish there was some sort of ransom system in place actually. As part of the game. The system would make sure that the victim can warp off if he pays the ransom. --- The Eve Wiki Community Portal \| Eve Tribune
Jim McGregor	Posted - 2006.06.23 12:56:00 - [3] Originally by: Ayame Mishima Originally by: Jim McGregor I wish there was some sort of ransom system in place actually. As part of the game. The system would make sure that the victim can warp off if he pays the ransom. I wouldn't like anything like that. I love the freedom of the game and anything like that cuts down on that freedom. Even if there are those black sheep, what would it be like if they wouldn't exist? If everything runs in perfect rules, where is all the fun of not knowing if it will play out as you have planned it? We do need scammers, pirates and all sorts of bad folks as much as we need good ones. It's the careful mix of both that makes the game worthwhile. I agree. Eve just wouldnt be eve without scammers, killers etc. But i think a optional ransom system wouldnt severly hurt this freedom. And the advantage of having a system where the victim gets safe passage if he pays the ransom is more people paying the ransom. Please comment in the thread i created in General Discussions for commenting on the ransom system idea. I explain the reasoning behind this in that thread. --- The Eve Wiki Community Portal \| Eve Tribune
Jim McGregor	Posted - 2006.06.23 14:29:00 - [4] I do like that Veritas are making their stance clear on this though. --- The Eve Wiki Community Portal \| Eve Tribune
Jim McGregor	Posted - 2006.06.23 14:53:00 - [5] Originally by: Jenny Spitfire /me looks at killmail. I do not see Northern Intelligence is part of the mail. For the record, Damage Unlimited and Mortus are new -V- corps. AFAIK, I dont know the whole story behind. I think I will let my comments end here until I know more. Damage Unlimited is a stupid name.. and you can tell them i said so. --- The Eve Wiki Community Portal \| Eve Tribune
Jim McGregor	Posted - 2006.06.23 15:30:00 - [6] Edited by: Jim McGregor on 23/06/2006 15:30:25 Originally by: Nebuli Huh? they are both pirating, you just described two identical situations, both with the same outcome, just naming them differently. In one situation, you are holding the guy hostage. In the other, he is free to not warp to the gate. They are not the same. --- The Eve Wiki Community Portal \| Eve Tribune
Jim McGregor	Posted - 2006.06.23 15:37:00 - [7] Originally by: Nebuli It is obvious yes, but the policy is we shoot and kill neutrals/red on overview, not allow them passage for a fee, we simply KILL them..... So Jennys passage fees are just a scam then? --- The Eve Wiki Community Portal \| Eve Tribune
Jim McGregor	Posted - 2006.06.23 15:52:00 - [8] Originally by: Jenny Spitfire When I am soloing or in a group of two pilots, I try to ransom a bit. Makes the ISKs and it is caring. I really feel bad making them lose millions of ISKs and send them back 30 jumps away. Young players dont deserve to die in such a cold, harsh and cruel way. In groups, it is usually kill. Hard to tell ppl to stop or split ISKs. Im sorry, but this is exacly what pirates do. We ransom when we have the option. Yet some of the Verita guys say you guys do NOT pirate, only kill. Think you need to have a talk about alliance policies. --- The Eve Wiki Community Portal \| Eve Tribune
Jim McGregor	Posted - 2006.06.23 16:09:00 - [9] Originally by: Iamruss I am responsibile for this thread. I want to clear some things up and state the facts. I totally am at fault for trespassing their 'space' and they got me cornered fair and square. However when someone asks for a ransom, while at a gate with a warp bubble and a couple of friends, I of course paid in full the 10million they requested. I warped in to leave, and they proceeded to just say "lag" in local and destroy my ship. This may definately be the case, it would be understandable if it was indeed lag. But why not pay back the ransom? It was obvious that they all knew I paid, and that I was free to go. I found this to be quite shameful, and they were mostly laughing in local, which was an even bigger blow to the face on themselves. I'm glad word has been spread regarding this incident. I guess my original intent of the thread has been accomplished. I really can careless about my ISK and ship loss. But I wanted to inform everyone that these pilots do not pay ransoms. I recommend everyone to post threads like this. Good post. --- The Eve Wiki Community Portal \| Eve Tribune
Jim McGregor	Posted - 2006.06.23 16:31:00 - [10] Edited by: Jim McGregor on 23/06/2006 16:32:22 This "shhmee eeeeee" guy seems to be about 13 years old, acting like that. Are chat logs permitted here btw? --- The Eve Wiki Community Portal \| Eve Tribune
Jim McGregor	Posted - 2006.06.23 17:17:00 - [11] Edited by: Jim McGregor on 23/06/2006 17:19:31 Originally by: Maximillian Pele So they evil pirates can be trusted to keep their word and the mighty 0.0 alliance can't. Pirates are real nice people most of the time actually. Except when they fiddle with my corpse. I hate that. And Veritas are right about one thing... this dishonorable ransom thing was the act of one childish pilot and he will be dealt with. So justice will be served in the end. The forums are mightier than any weapon in eve. --- The Eve Wiki Community Portal \| Eve Tribune
Jim McGregor	Posted - 2006.06.23 17:58:00 - [12] Originally by: Pepperami OH MY GOD TWO PEOPLE IN THE SAME CORP DON'T SHARE EXACTLY THE SAME VIEWS. Thats why alts are so good. No, seriously, I think you guys have explained the situation and there is not much more to be done in this thread now. --- The Eve Wiki Community Portal \| Eve Tribune
Jim McGregor	Posted - 2006.06.25 14:58:00 - [13] Originally by: shhmee eeeeee This topic has gone mad lol! i'll pay the guy his money back, it was his smack that stopped that happening in the first place. we said maybe 10mil and you can leave because he had logged off to avoid us killing him! and then logged back on when we had 20secs left on the scan! the conversation was only started so he wouldn't move! I do have no reason to ransum people, but he did try and insta out only to find himself in are bubble, and going down fast before the money was sent! maybe this was lag who knows but paying when on the last legs of armer is a risky bussiness! if only that insta had worked A russ I was a pierat till joining -v- and always kept my side of the bargin! back then i would have kicked my self for asking 10mil for a raven! anyway that is are side of the story for those interested. next time i'll ask him how his family is, the weather and such, as a way to keep him talking! play to win leave the warpcore stabs at home!! and things like this just wouldn't happen. i find logging off just as affensive as my minner blot on the pierat code!! Was I right about you being 13 years old btw? --- The Eve Wiki Community Portal \| Eve Tribune

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